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|Miki||Does anybody advise which level this entry would be?|| |
|Campbell||つもり does not really mean intention. American textbooks and instructors simply explain it as such because it is simpler. つもり really describes a state of mind. 行くつもりだ it is the state of mind to go = I intend to go. what about: 行ったつもりだ? in english it doesn't make sense to say: I intend to went... it is I am in the frame of mind as if I had gone... if that makes any sense...|
よく読んだつもりです。I am convinced I read it carefully.
一所懸命やったつもりで。 I believe I did my best.
(Examples provided from Making Sense of Japanese: What the Textbooks don't tell you by Jay Rubin)
|tenkamuteki82||ex # I think has a mistake (Incorrect Kanji for Sai) It should be:才|
|tigert||The thing about つもり is that using it gives the listener the impression that you won`t complete the action you intend on doing. From the people that I have talked with there are levels of commitment in the japanese language. the first level is negative statement. which is avoided at all cost.|
EX No, I won`t go.
then comes passive nagative statement.
EX I would like to go, but ....(I`m not going)
then comes probablility related statements. which have their own level.
行くかも知らない I don`t know if I`ll go,(but I probably won`t)
行くつもり I intend to go (but I won`t go because well you know how it is)
多分行く I think I will go ( unless something comes up.)
and the final stage is the affirmative statement.
行く I will go.
|赤毛||Mikiさん: Plain form +つもりです is common in past JPLT4. |
So I put it in level 4 rather than in level 0.
I fixed ex # for what Tenkamuteki82さん have made an alert.
I just studied た形+つもりで and つもりだった so I made the corresponding entries for JPLT2.
|Miki||Tenkamuteki82: You are right. If "she" is under 30s, she would say 30才になるまでは. |
赤毛san: I don't know about JPLT level well. Please fix the level to what you think is correct. Thanks
|赤毛||The polite form of つもりだ is 所存でございます. See ex #.|| |
|jmadsen||I'd like to explain this completely differently, if I can risk it.|
つもり should be better described as an adverb of certainty, being VERY CERTAIN.
An example you won't often see, but that illustrates this could be:
She is really good looking, isn't she (or, "She's hot!")
= The meeting - to attend - not - is certain.
|Forveya||If I were to believe the JDIC entry, it can mean both to intend to do something or to be very certain of something. Perhaps it should be edited accordingly.|
intention; plan; (2) conviction; belief
|spurrymoses||Campbell said: "行ったつもりだ? in english it doesn't make sense to say: I intend to went"|
You're right, you wouldn't say "I intend to went". But that's hardly an honest attempt - it's just a deliberately poor attempt at translation.
How about "I intended to go" or "it was my intention to have gone"
|Armadillomon||Campbell is right. 行ったつもりだ does NOT mean "I intended to go". That would be 行くつもりだった.|
行ったつもりだ means "I'm sure I went" or "I'm convinced I went".