のに [のに] (noni-2)
Meaning: in order to, to
Example: It takes time to learn Japanese
JLPT Level: 3
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のに is different from ので
のにis used the same exact way as ので, but のに means "despite" or "in order to".
Another Example:(From tai kims japanese guide)
-end my notes-
|I believe the example from Tae Kim's guide above refers to のに in the sense of "despite"/"although", not "in order to" as in this のに entry. || |
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- noni (Careful not to get のに (but / although) mixed up with のに (to / in order to).
The 'but' のに is joins two sentences while the 'in order to' is the nominaliser の + に) [Amatuka]
- tameni [dc]
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|Amatuka||Form is verb + [nominaliser の] + に|| |
|Amatuka||I'm not that certain of what I typed in the 'see also' now - although the two are quite different usages. || |
|Norgus||ex #4747 has furigana for 何時 as どこ, which is simply not true and should be read なんじ, which has nothing to do with place but is asking 'what time'.|
Doko is normally written in just hiragana anyway.
reguarding the first example #586 日本語を覚えるのに時間がかかります
Is there an easy way to tell that it wasn't intended to mean 'despite that I am going to remember Japanese, it will take time' ?
(and wouldn't the verb 習う(ならう) 'to learn' fit this best?)
|KyleGoetz||@Norgus, it does not sound like the "although" のに because when using the form ＡのにＢ to show a contrast, A and B must be contrastive. "I am going to remember Japanese" and "It will take time" are not really that contrastive. It just doesn't sound like that. That's all I can offer on the topic.|| |
|Miki||ex#4747 何時 read as いつ, too.|| |
|のぶた||hi everyone.Correct me if I'm wrong but as I was searching for more examples on のに, I found that sometimes you can put it at the end of the sentence so as to create[ i wish...]. For example: I wish he could have driven a car a year ago. |
The translation is [ I wish he could have driven a car a year ago]. Is it a kind of ように?
thanx for the answer...
|Miki||Hi のぶたさん、The のに of your question is not a kind of ように. Please refer to noni3.|| |
|bamboo4||In #586, I agree that 習う would be the better choice of word. || |
|Televangelist||ex #4747 is just plain wrong.|| |
|hoshigo||This sentence is from a nihongo translation of the bible in Matthew 21:2. It has のに in it but I can't seem to match it with noni1-3 here. Is this another application of noni? And what does it mean in this sentence?|
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